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A girl in my cohort (let's call her Amber) told me about this guy that her friend told her she should date. But the guy was in a relationship. So basically, Amber's friend wanted Amber to "steal" this guy away from this girl because Amber's friends believed that Amber was the better woman for him. I said, "Amber. Fa real?" (the "fa" is purposeful). "Haven't black women gone farther than this? A) Can't no man be stolen that don't want to be and B) With all the forces against black women do we REALLY need to be ANOTHER force working against us within ourselves? LEAVE THE BROAD'S MAN ALONE!" I say all that to say, I am for black women coalitions. We need more of them. Interestingly, in this case I'm not sure how to go about it. I was reading your post while in a class I was sitting in on at USC. As I was sitting there a few emotions/thoughts came over me. First, I put my journal online not to have people "all up in business" (not that I mind it too much since it is out there) or to help people fulfill some voyeuristic tendencies they may have, but there is some psychological relief in putting my thoughts out for all to see. It takes guts and I have to be held accountable in some way. Yet there is something….weird about talking about things that I have written. I was reading your post and I was thinking, "Ehhh", this is awkward. Weird. But mostly "Ehhh," as the bottom part of my mouth stretches to my ears and my eyebrows rise in awkwardness. I then re-read my blog post which I almost never do, (I have realized that I may need to do a bit of proofreading), in order to remember what I wrote and get a sense of what you were responding to. Then I thought, how did she find this? J could have told her about the blog (which I doubt because but possible). He told her my name and she searched for me. She is on facebook, saw the pics from caribana, he told her that he went to caribana with an ex-girlfriend and she decided to check to see who I was then found my blog page address located on my facebook page. Then as I clicked on your name I see that I can't see your blog (because it appears to be private) but you can see mind. Its an interesting dynamic. Under and over self exposure but at what cost and at what benefit.? Also what can be gained from the Amber story is that I am not in the business of trying to tamper in people's relationships. Toronto was a special case which was definitely not in the plans. (He wasn't even supposed to stay with us). I'm not making any special moves to be with him or see him. When my friends and I planned the caribana trip J just happened to be going to Toronto as well. I did want to see him because I hadn't seen him in over a year, and we had been talking for a some months before we met up in Toronto but it was all under the premise of two old friends meeting and catching up on old times.
Then I thought about how to give you what you may possibly be looking for. But I'm not sure what that is. I know you want or am expecting something because you provided your email address. Hmm. (????) Something similar has happened to me. I have met a guy. Talked to him maybe once or twice. Then out of nowhere (seemingly nowhere) a woman would call me (never rude) and ask me who I am and how I knew "her man". This has happened at least three times. I tell them that I barely know them. We met in a bar, club, mixer whatever and that's it. I have spent hours talking to the women. Listening mostly, about how they always knew something wasn't right. Now that they know I posed no threat to them, and I didn't really know "their man" and I definitely didn't know them, they could vent because I was willing to listen. I have nothing to hide. One, because the men didn't mean anything to me and second, black women need to be there for black women. So, I'm back my original dilemma. How do I engage you because we are talking about a man we both care about. How much do I share? What do I say? I can't just be a sounding board for you (or can I?) because I know the man this time. Do I be so honest that it might be hurtful? I'm not sure and I don't think I have the answers so I'm just simply going to say what's on my mind.
First, thank you for your comments and I appreciate you keeping my son and me in your prayers. You seem to be a nice person. I think I am nice but we seem like very different people. Maybe not very… but different.
Second, I went through a range of emotions. In my awkwardness I called J but he didn't answer. I left a message for him to call me back which he did. I couldn't talk when he called me so I told him I would call him. I called him and then he couldn't talk. We haven't talked yet. Now I am angry. Well, angry is a strong word. Not sure of the right word. But I feel like I'm in the middle of something that I really don't want to be a part of. This weird triangle thing.
Well, J told me that he was pretty transparent with you. He told me about the woman he has been sleeping with up there. He said you weren't happy with it but your relationship hasn't changed. This made me think back to his and my conversation about why he won't be in a relationship with me because he knows that isn't something I would stand for. So, if that is something he needs. An open relationship, then you appear to be the best person for him. I'm not interested in competing for J. For a while I have been trying to negotiate my relationship with him and it has gotten more challenging lately. Whether or not I should go to Montreal to see him. Whether or not I should go with him to Haiti. Whether or not I should tell him that I am telling you these things and whether or not I should tell them to you in the first place. How does that change, hinder, accelerate his and my relationship? One thing I do know is that I am definitely not interested in this triangle. I was/am really ok with thinking of you as a distant being. Someone that I need to be aware of but don't really need to or want to know. It becomes messy. Is messy. And it is upsetting to me that J is willingly making this messy.Why invite me to Haiti? He knows I have wanted to go since his dad invited me years ago, but that vacation would have NOT been a plutonic one. I told him no because I know he has a girlfriend. PLUS, he was been messing with some other girl in Montreal. All of this makes me very disappointed in J and somewhat disgusted. The other thing is I don't know how he talks about me to you. My initial feeling is that I (or we) am getting played. It's not a nice feeling. But, I'm not in a relationship with him so what he does elsewhere doesn't bother me. Hmmm, that's not accurate. I should say it doesn't bother the nature of our present relationship because we are only friends. However, if he ever was to come to me about getting in a relationship, I would take a serious pause. I would question my trust in him. But as he says, I appear to expect more (or something different) from him than you may. And what I expect does not encompass outside sexual relationships. (sigh). But that's the light you have been cast in whether that's correct or not.
Still not sure how to respond. I was going to wait until after I talked to J, but that didn't happen. And I think the post would have stayed mostly the same whether I talked to him or not. If anything, it would have also said what he and I discussed over the phone. However, I do want to let you know that I don't want to actively be in the middle on you and J' relationship. Whether I am discussed or not between the two of you is up to you all but I don't want to establish a link between you and I. It's really really really messy. Odd. Awkward. Weird. I'm not sure if I should say I appreciate you responding to the post. I don't object to it. At least not initially. Now there is a name associated with a person that I know existed but I'm not sure if I wanted that information. Really really messy. Odd. Awkward. Well, I hope/know/think/pray everything happens the way it is suppose to happen. Thank you for your comments and I wish you well.
Mel

6 comments:
Mel:
Well, I don't know what to say/write. Is that okay if I respond to your post or do you prefer I should just disappear from the screen.
I am sorry for posting with out asking! I didn't mean to make you feel weird or Ehhh.
Ummm, I hesitate to say that I prefer that you disappear. Sounds harsh. What I will say is, if you feel the desire to respond then I not going to say don't do that. More so because I'm not a fan of people wanting to silence me. But if you don't respond that's ok too. I'm torn between making this into something more complicated that I'm willing to participate in and being interested in what you have to say. It's your choice.
As one of African languages proverbs puts it well "The one who joins a party without invitiation leaves with no statisfaction". That sounds me.. oops... No, it doesn't sound harsh, you are right I will absolutely disappear peacfully.
well, I didn't want to feel disrespectful at least I felt I need to respond to it. I kind of have a busy schedule in the middle of the week, especailly this week, but regardless I will send you a single reply. No later than Friday.
Till then have a peaceful week.
From: Semira (littlebirdsemira@gmail.com)
Sent: Sat 2/07/09 9:01 PM
To: melissa crum (missyc01@msn.com)
Mel,
I am sorry I didn't get back to you as I promised. Honesty, I didn't know what to say. Well, I am very proud to know that I share some thing in common with you, of course not J, I choose to leave him alone and look at things from a bigger picture. I don't want to be in a mess as well. I posted my first comment for a reason but then when I read your comments I felt different and I started to question why did I post it anyway?
Well, first I want to answer to your question how did I know about you - well from J's face book photos. I was his friend on face book. Then I went to your blog and I got attracted to it not for voyeuristic interest but I admired your trip to Ghana and I liked the way you express your self. (I told you, if people were very expressive the way you are the world would be a better place to live. I am like you too but I don't express myself well through writing). Then not knowing I came across J's story on your blog. Well, I was shocked about it and I didn't know what to do or say but then I felt very guilty for not writing to you. I felt I was allowing a man to play a game or may be not. But then I said may be it is better the other woman knows about it. So, I posted it out of care for all of us to avoid the triangle or circle whatever angle it was taking. You are right, it is a mess. I am not part of the mess and I am not the way you described me on your blog. So, my conclusion is I am very happy to know that you advocate education for liberation, which makes us (me and you) we are not different and that's why I posted on your blog. I believe in freedom, and hiding information is just another means of oppressing. Well, I am sure you have read the work of Paulo Freire and bell hooks as well as many other scholars' work. If you did, then I think we are on the same page. I really appreciate you for sharing the information with me. Thank you!
So, I think now it is safe for me to disappear. I wish you success and a bright future. May God bless your life with health, happiness and wealth.
Semira
From: melissa
Sent: Sat 2/07/09 9:49 PM
To: littlebirdsemira@gmail.com
I'm sitting her wondering if I should reply. *sigh*. Well, just a few things. I knew about you the entire time. I didn't have a name or a face and J didn't tell me much about you but I knew you existed before I went to Ghana. I have a few posts about J which may or may not address your existence (because I usually don't re-read them. I think its in the "soda series") but regardless you were mentioned by him to me. All of this didn't mean much until old feelings came bubbling up during Caribana (yadda yadda yadda) and the platonic friendship we were supposed to be establishing got really complicated real quick. At least for me. J tends to function well in what I call "the grayness". A place that is either absent of labels (arguabley so that there are no rules to be broken, but as far as I know J was faithful) or has labels and the rules that come with those labels are broken and he should be forgiven due to his openess and honesty. I'm not really interested in all of that foolishness so I kept my distance regardless of whatever feelings remained that never really got fleshed out. Which is why I feel a tad bit uncomfortable with the term "the other woman". For that implies a consistant external relationship that is outside of another. That's something J and I didn't have. J and I have a long history (going on 9 years or so) and I have yet to fully negotiate the definition of a friendship between he and I. I pretty sure he is pretty angry with me given the talk we had a few days ago. *sigh, shoulder shrug* Oh well.
Have a good one :-)
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